DeTomaso Mailing List: January 00, Message #15

It might actually be easier to do a Windsor 427 from a 351W than it woujld
be to do the 400M motor.  More parts available and lower cost.  Also you do
not need to change motor mounts or bell housing.  Just a few worries with
belts and exhaust flanges.

Dave "might do a W someday" D

At 02:48 PM 1/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Cal.
>The reason I asked about the bellhousing was to help decide which way I
>should go with an engine. The car I am getting has a good engine now, so I'm
>not in a rush. I am leaning toward building a stroker Motor about 430 C.I.
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>I spoke with Steve Wilkinson about my supercharger idea. He convinced me
>that it didn't meet my criteria of possible daily driver with no fuss. I
>have decided to win this game with displacement.
>I also had a good conversation with Mark Oneil at Coast Hi Performance. They
>make stroker kits for the 351C and M motors.The C motor kit is more
>expensive than the M. The difference is just less than the cost of the
>bellhousing. With the taller deck height of the M, there is room to get
>about 30 more inches. On the + side for the C engine, Mark told me that
>Competition cams is about to introduce a new Hydraulic roller cam with good
>specs for a stroked Cleveland. I'm sure you know this stuff. I'm learning.
>I think it boils down to the question of where I want to do the fabricating.
>I am planning on making an individual runner intake manifold for fuel
>injection. I am still undecided on how to control the air into the motor. My
>choices are Individual throttle bodies from TWM Induction, 1 large throttle
>body on each side half of the intake  plenum  or a slide plate. I have a
>friend that really wants to make the slide, but it is looking like a bunch
>of work for a non competition vehicle.
>
>On the other end of the engine is the exhaust. I have always loved the look
>of the 180 degree headers that wrap up the back of the Pantera motor. I have
>collected almost enough stainless bends to do a set.
>
>I am new to Panteras. I hope I don't offend anyone with 20 obvious
>questions. If anybody has suggestions on engine choices, or input on fuel
>injection, I would appreciate every word.
>
>I have been reading your postings about modifying your bellhouse and had
>wondered why you hadn't purchased the bellhouse for your swap.
>
>Perhaps one of the old times should go over some details with D-Mann. Doesn'
>t he know Ford makes a better motor?    :)
>
>Regards to all,
>Nolan Scheid
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <catman351@themost.net>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <detomaso@realbig.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 1:03 AM
>Subject: Re: 351M bellhousing cost?
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>> Hi Nolan:
>> Don't know why you want to install a 351M but your better off sticking
>> with the C-block or most of the other small block stuff. Expect to pay
>> $800 for a used big block bellhousing to ZF. I'm having mine fabricated,
>> but because the nature of the engine I'm installing (400M) and Hi-po-ing
>> that, that will be worth it. I will have to take my ZF, old bell housing
>> and engine plate for the 351C, the new 351M/400/429/460 engine plate and
>> C-6 xmission shell, and have my fabricator cut the bellhousing off from
>> the C-6, weld, and drill out a plate to fit the ZF. That the other way
>> you can do that. Or, do what Ted Mitchell did and redo a flathead to ZF
>> adaptor and drill out accordingly. Or, you can contact www.wilcap.com,
>> grab their Chevy to ZF and have an adaptor plate made up to do that
>> (BTW, the cost for a Chevy to ZF bellhousing to ZF is about $300-400.
>> You can use this as your D-Mann alternative but you'd have the rest of
>> the Power by Ford group spitting fire at ya....;^). In any event, good
>> luck! Let me know how it goes. I expect to throw the parts to my fab man
>> and let him do the work. Cal #2428r.
>>
>> Nolan Scheid wrote:
>>
>> > Hello All
>> > Happy new year.
>> > Does anyone want to sell a used bellhousing for a 351M engine swap?
>> > Who has them new?
>> > How much do they cost?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Nolan #2772 should have the car on Monday!!!!!
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