[DeTomaso] Major Bummer/Low oil pressure: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 25,
Issue 27
Thomas Borcich
Tborcich at msn.com
Mon Aug 28 02:01:48 EDT 2006
John,
Sorry to hear about your low oil pressure. As you know I just
purchased my car and the motor was just rebuilt by the
previous owners. My oil pressure is over 60 at idle and
pushing 70-75 lbs at about 2500 rpm. Since I've heard
the issue of unreliable gauge readings from so many on
this forum, I was skeptical about my gauge readings.
So I went to NAPA and purchased a small brass block T...
I pulled my existing oil pressure sending unit, screwed the
brass block into the block where the old sending unit screws in,
then I purchased a small 1.5" mechanical oil pressure gauge
that screwed into the side of the brass block, then screwed
the old sending unit into the top of the brass block. For less
than $20 I confirmed that the stock gauge and sending unit
are dead on and it's permanent. This is cheap peace of mind.
Good luck on your bearing job!
Tom Borcich
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:19:32 +0100
From: Philip de Cadenet <phil at transmittersrus.com<mailto:phil at transmittersrus.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for Offenhauser manifold
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If anyone knows of a Offenhauser Dual Port 6013 (4V) manifold for sale
I'd appreciate any contact info.
Thanks
--
Phil
79 Longchamp GTS 3061
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:16:59 EDT
From: Dickruzzindesign at aol.com<mailto:Dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
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Before doing all that work why not try a new sending unit, which you probably
need anyway. A mechanical guage is also a pretty inexpensive investment to
check it.
Dick Ruzzin
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:30:18 -0500
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
To: "Charles McCall" <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>,
<Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>>
Message-ID: <003301c6c90b$642be7a0$c600a8c0 at Millennia<mailto:003301c6c90b$642be7a0$c600a8c0 at Millennia>>
Charlie
I am fairly confident the gauges are correct. I have swapped out the sender
and the gauge with extras that I had. In addition, there is an Accusump
gauge that, while it reads higher, verifies the pattern. I stepped back and
thought about it last night. Perhaps in a way, emotionally preparing myself
to extract the engine. I realize that pulling the engine creates a better
environment for changing the rod and main bearings. However, I did get a
private reply from a friend at Roush Racing who informed me I may be able to
reach in and unbolt the oil pump and that would allow it to drop out. I can
then modify the windage tray for reinstallation. Although with that said, he
also encouraged me to pull the engine out.
I am heading out to the garage shortly, and I will at least try to see if I
can get a box end wrench on the oil pump.
Even with the 180s, it is not that it is hard to pull the engine, it is just
a repetitive project that I have done so many times before and it is time
and labor intensive. It is just that the exercise has gotten kinda old.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles McCall" <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>
To: "'John Taphorn'" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>; <Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:22 AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
> John -
> It's too late to ask the question, but do you trust the oil pressure
> readings?
>
> I didn't like the readings I saw on the GT5-S - it was lower than I would
> have liked but also erratic - sometimes higher and sometimes lower - so I
> installed a mechanical gauge. The mechanical gauge shows rock-solid
> pressure
> right where I'd like it, while the stock gauge continues to be flaky. Are
> you sure the problem is the pressure and not the gauges?
>
>
> Charles McCall
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
> http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985<http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> nombre de John Taphorn
> Enviado el: Saturday, 26 August, 2006 2:42 AM
> Para: Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>
> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
>
> I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil pressure after the oil got hot.
> It is a condition that I didn't notice at first as I didn't drive the car
> very far or hard. The cause struck me as a classic case of worn main
> bearings. While the oil pressure was adequate with the oil cool 35lb -
> 65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs.
>
> While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings
> this
> weekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week in
> the eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I removed
> the crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc.
> Unfortunately,
> the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from the pan rails.
> Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in through bulkhead and
> could
> see between the block and the lowered oil pan. I could see that the oil
> pump
> pickup is hung up on the windage tray. It appears that it would be
> necessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back toward the ZF to clear the
> pick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the ZF in place.
>
> I can't understand why someone would have allowed this condition during
> assembly. I can't think of another alternative and it appears that I will
> now have to pull the engine or at least separate the ZF and slide it back
> a
> couple of inches. :^(
>
> Unless someone has another solution. My only consolation toward removing
> the engine is that it would be a heck of a lot easier to change the
> bearings
> and seal the bottom end.
>
> JT
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:22:15 +0200
From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE<mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
To: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Cc: Charles McCall <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>,
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John,
I would seriously recommend that you pull the engine instead. It is just
a few hours work, and far less messy than trying to do it with the
engine in place.
Last spring I borrowed an engine while I was rebuilding mine, and
although there was no visible problems when the engine was on the stand,
the oilpan promptly started to leak during cam break-in :-(
The engine came with a small standard Ford type pan, and I didn't bother
swapping it out with my large factory pan and windage tray.
As there was a pin hole in the pan, it had to come out.
Removing the leaking pan was no problem other than being a messy job,
with oil dripping all over the place. Installing my large factory pan
and windage tray proved to be more or less impossible. Installing the
pan with the windage tray in place, with the engine on a stand, belly
up, is slightly tricky, due to the baffles and stuff that hits the
pickup, and also that the windage tray is so wide that it completely
fills the pan. Doing that between the frame rails of the car is next to
impossible.
I gave up on the windage tray, and it was messy and tricky enough just
to get the large pan on without the windage tray.
On my "new" motor I installed an Armando pan, and that too would have
been messy as the cut out in the plate on top of the baffles in the pan
was slightly wrong and the pickup tube would hit it. It took quite some
effort to identify what the problem was. Rectifying it was simple though.
Good luck!
Thomas
John Taphorn wrote:
> Charlie
>
> I am fairly confident the gauges are correct. I have swapped out the sender
> and the gauge with extras that I had. In addition, there is an Accusump
> gauge that, while it reads higher, verifies the pattern. I stepped back and
> thought about it last night. Perhaps in a way, emotionally preparing myself
> to extract the engine. I realize that pulling the engine creates a better
> environment for changing the rod and main bearings. However, I did get a
> private reply from a friend at Roush Racing who informed me I may be able to
> reach in and unbolt the oil pump and that would allow it to drop out. I can
> then modify the windage tray for reinstallation. Although with that said, he
> also encouraged me to pull the engine out.
>
> I am heading out to the garage shortly, and I will at least try to see if I
> can get a box end wrench on the oil pump.
>
> Even with the 180s, it is not that it is hard to pull the engine, it is just
> a repetitive project that I have done so many times before and it is time
> and labor intensive. It is just that the exercise has gotten kinda old.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles McCall" <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>
> To: "'John Taphorn'" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>; <Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
>
>
>> John -
>> It's too late to ask the question, but do you trust the oil pressure
>> readings?
>>
>> I didn't like the readings I saw on the GT5-S - it was lower than I would
>> have liked but also erratic - sometimes higher and sometimes lower - so I
>> installed a mechanical gauge. The mechanical gauge shows rock-solid
>> pressure
>> right where I'd like it, while the stock gauge continues to be flaky. Are
>> you sure the problem is the pressure and not the gauges?
>>
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
>> http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985<http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>> nombre de John Taphorn
>> Enviado el: Saturday, 26 August, 2006 2:42 AM
>> Para: Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
>>
>> I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil pressure after the oil got hot.
>> It is a condition that I didn't notice at first as I didn't drive the car
>> very far or hard. The cause struck me as a classic case of worn main
>> bearings. While the oil pressure was adequate with the oil cool 35lb -
>> 65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs.
>>
>> While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings
>> this
>> weekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week in
>> the eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I removed
>> the crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc.
>> Unfortunately,
>> the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from the pan rails.
>> Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in through bulkhead and
>> could
>> see between the block and the lowered oil pan. I could see that the oil
>> pump
>> pickup is hung up on the windage tray. It appears that it would be
>> necessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back toward the ZF to clear the
>> pick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the ZF in place.
>>
>> I can't understand why someone would have allowed this condition during
>> assembly. I can't think of another alternative and it appears that I will
>> now have to pull the engine or at least separate the ZF and slide it back
>> a
>> couple of inches. :^(
>>
>> Unless someone has another solution. My only consolation toward removing
>> the engine is that it would be a heck of a lot easier to change the
>> bearings
>> and seal the bottom end.
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:59:22 -0500
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
To: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE<mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>>
Cc: Charles McCall <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>,
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
Well I guess experience pays off a little. I've just stopped for a short
break. All the ancillaries are unhooked with the exception of the headers
and halfshaft to zf bolts.
The lift is ready and ideally, the engine may be out by noon CST
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE<mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>>
To: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Cc: "Charles McCall" <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>; <Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
John,
I would seriously recommend that you pull the engine instead. It is just
a few hours work, and far less messy than trying to do it with the
engine in place.
Last spring I borrowed an engine while I was rebuilding mine, and
although there was no visible problems when the engine was on the stand,
the oilpan promptly started to leak during cam break-in :-(
The engine came with a small standard Ford type pan, and I didn't bother
swapping it out with my large factory pan and windage tray.
As there was a pin hole in the pan, it had to come out.
Removing the leaking pan was no problem other than being a messy job,
with oil dripping all over the place. Installing my large factory pan
and windage tray proved to be more or less impossible. Installing the
pan with the windage tray in place, with the engine on a stand, belly
up, is slightly tricky, due to the baffles and stuff that hits the
pickup, and also that the windage tray is so wide that it completely
fills the pan. Doing that between the frame rails of the car is next to
impossible.
I gave up on the windage tray, and it was messy and tricky enough just
to get the large pan on without the windage tray.
On my "new" motor I installed an Armando pan, and that too would have
been messy as the cut out in the plate on top of the baffles in the pan
was slightly wrong and the pickup tube would hit it. It took quite some
effort to identify what the problem was. Rectifying it was simple though.
Good luck!
Thomas
John Taphorn wrote:
> Charlie
>
> I am fairly confident the gauges are correct. I have swapped out the
> sender and the gauge with extras that I had. In addition, there is an
> Accusump gauge that, while it reads higher, verifies the pattern. I
> stepped back and thought about it last night. Perhaps in a way,
> emotionally preparing myself to extract the engine. I realize that
> pulling the engine creates a better environment for changing the rod and
> main bearings. However, I did get a private reply from a friend at Roush
> Racing who informed me I may be able to reach in and unbolt the oil pump
> and that would allow it to drop out. I can then modify the windage tray
> for reinstallation. Although with that said, he also encouraged me to pull
> the engine out.
>
> I am heading out to the garage shortly, and I will at least try to see if
> I can get a box end wrench on the oil pump.
>
> Even with the 180s, it is not that it is hard to pull the engine, it is
> just a repetitive project that I have done so many times before and it is
> time and labor intensive. It is just that the exercise has gotten kinda
> old.
>
> JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles McCall" <CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net<mailto:CharlesMcCall at telefonica.net>>
> To: "'John Taphorn'" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>; <Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
>
>
>> John -
>> It's too late to ask the question, but do you trust the oil pressure
>> readings?
>>
>> I didn't like the readings I saw on the GT5-S - it was lower than I would
>> have liked but also erratic - sometimes higher and sometimes lower - so I
>> installed a mechanical gauge. The mechanical gauge shows rock-solid
>> pressure
>> right where I'd like it, while the stock gauge continues to be flaky. Are
>> you sure the problem is the pressure and not the gauges?
>>
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>> "Raising Pantera Awareness across Europe"
>> http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985<http://photos.yahoo.com/gt5s_1985>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>> nombre de John Taphorn
>> Enviado el: Saturday, 26 August, 2006 2:42 AM
>> Para: Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
>>
>> I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil pressure after the oil got
>> hot.
>> It is a condition that I didn't notice at first as I didn't drive the car
>> very far or hard. The cause struck me as a classic case of worn main
>> bearings. While the oil pressure was adequate with the oil cool 35lb -
>> 65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs.
>>
>> While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings
>> this
>> weekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week in
>> the eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I removed
>> the crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc.
>> Unfortunately,
>> the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from the pan
>> rails.
>> Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in through bulkhead and
>> could
>> see between the block and the lowered oil pan. I could see that the oil
>> pump
>> pickup is hung up on the windage tray. It appears that it would be
>> necessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back toward the ZF to clear
>> the
>> pick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the ZF in place.
>>
>> I can't understand why someone would have allowed this condition during
>> assembly. I can't think of another alternative and it appears that I
>> will
>> now have to pull the engine or at least separate the ZF and slide it back
>> a
>> couple of inches. :^(
>>
>> Unless someone has another solution. My only consolation toward removing
>> the engine is that it would be a heck of a lot easier to change the
>> bearings
>> and seal the bottom end.
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:37:23 -0700
From: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
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John,
I'm assuming you have the Aviaid oil pan of which I had a similar problem in mounting my original one up in the car. The installed windage tray doesn't leave enough clearance to allow the oil strainer/pick up to clear the pan at the angle you need to do it with the motor in the car. I know its not much help to you getting it out the car, but I ended up modifying the windage tray for clearance by taking about 1/4" out of the pick up hole. The only suggestion (other than pulling the motor or ZF) is if you can create enough clearance between the pan and motor to be able to undo the two oil pump mounting bolts and allow the oil pump/strainer to come away with the oil pan? It may be possible with some contortionist moves and a a knuckle head wrench...good luck.
BTW I just got a new Aviaid pan which has a different design to the older one, whereby the baffles is more central and hence the oil pick up much shorter. It mounted up motor in the car much easier, but still leaks a little oil. The oil pans are a bitch to mount up and get sealed motor in the car, especially single handed on your back, with minimal clearance.
PS. I second Charlie McCall's notion of installing a mechanical gauge, I was all ready for a rebuild until I did just that and found the stock gauge way off.
Julian -----Mensaje original-----De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] Ennombre de John TaphornEnviado el: Saturday, 26 August, 2006 2:42 AMPara: Detomaso at realbig.comAsunto<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.comAsunto>: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil pressure after the oil got hot. It is a condition that I didn't notice at first as I didn't drive the carvery far or hard. The cause struck me as a classic case of worn mainbearings. While the oil pressure was adequate with the oil cool 35lb -65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs. While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings thisweekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week inthe eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I removedthe crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc. Unfortunately,the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from the pan rails. Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in through bulkhead and couldsee between the block and the lowered oil pan. I could see that the oil pumppickup is hung up on the windage tray. It appears that it would benecessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back toward the ZF to clear thepick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the ZF in place. I can't understand why someone would have allowed this condition duringassembly. I can't think of another alternative and it appears that I willnow have to pull the engine or at least separate the ZF and slide it back acouple of inches. :^( Unless someone has another solution. My only consolation toward removingthe engine is that it would be a heck of a lot easier to change the bearingsand seal the bottom end. JT
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:27:14 EDT
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
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John, try unbolting the motor mounts & lifting the powertrain up a couple of
inches. You should have enough flexibility in the ZF mounts & the various
hoses & lines to do this without having to unfasten a bunch of stuff. But if
nothing else works, sliding the ZF back won't be too bad. One Nor-Cal guy working
alone with no engine crane to boost the ZF out, changed a clutch this way. Good
luck- J DeRyke
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:46:38 -0700
From: Richard Barkley <rlbpantera at earthlink.net<mailto:rlbpantera at earthlink.net>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] original yellow
To: Detomaso List <DeTomaso at realbig.com<mailto:DeTomaso at realbig.com>>
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When I went to paint Zonkey about 5 years ago, I couldn't find any paint
supplier that had a "match". PPG suggested I go to one of their "Profit
Centers" and have a computer match done. At that point practically all
the original paint had been stripped off and I couldn't take it there
anyway so I just started looking at samples. I wanted to paint using
base/clear so that restricted choices some perhaps.
What I ended up choosing was very close to the original ('71) yellow. It
is just a bit brighter, but not much. I compared it to the paint under
the behind the rear window "gills" and also to some paint I had mixed up
in the 70's to do some repainting. The paint is a "pure mixing base" (I
didn't add any tints) called Light Chrome Yellow (I believe) and the
code is 666 (I know for sure - I call it devil's yellow). I think most
who know Zonkey will agree it's a pretty nice yellow. I get lots of
compliments on it. Check out the pictures on the link below.
Richard
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:00:14 -0400
From: "Loudon Campbell" <loudonc at comcast.net<mailto:loudonc at comcast.net>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
To: <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
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My '72 Pantera has 7" wide front and 8" wide rear 15" wheels.
Tire Rack is suggesting that 225 - 50 (23.9" diameter) fronts and 295 -50
(26.9 diameter) Dunlop GT Qualifiers for the rear should fit.
Will these have proper clearance with stock suspension, with and without
the spring spacers ?
Any comments on the tires would be appreciated as well.
Thanks.
Hap
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:50:26 +0000
From: mshortt at comcast.net<mailto:mshortt at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] original yellow
To: Richard Barkley <rlbpantera at earthlink.net<mailto:rlbpantera at earthlink.net>>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
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That is exactly the same paint that I have on mine as well, PPG pure basecoat ( Light chrome yellow ) with clear over it. It's bright and attracts more attention than circus freak at a funeral.( unless of course it's a funeral for another circus freak ) and just for the PC among us, no disrespect was intend or implied towards circus employment or those with physical or mental challenges.
Michael Shortt
1971 #1660
Savannah, GA
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Richard Barkley <rlbpantera at earthlink.net<mailto:rlbpantera at earthlink.net>>
> When I went to paint Zonkey about 5 years ago, I couldn't find any paint
> supplier that had a "match". PPG suggested I go to one of their "Profit
> Centers" and have a computer match done. At that point practically all
> the original paint had been stripped off and I couldn't take it there
> anyway so I just started looking at samples. I wanted to paint using
> base/clear so that restricted choices some perhaps.
>
> What I ended up choosing was very close to the original ('71) yellow. It
> is just a bit brighter, but not much. I compared it to the paint under
> the behind the rear window "gills" and also to some paint I had mixed up
> in the 70's to do some repainting. The paint is a "pure mixing base" (I
> didn't add any tints) called Light Chrome Yellow (I believe) and the
> code is 666 (I know for sure - I call it devil's yellow). I think most
> who know Zonkey will agree it's a pretty nice yellow. I get lots of
> compliments on it. Check out the pictures on the link below.
>
> Richard
>
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> Sincerely, Richard Barkley
>
> To Ski or not to Ski, that is the question!
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:54:30 +0000
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] original yellow
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That is exactly the same paint that I have on mine as well, PPG pure basecoat ( Light chrome yellow ) with clear over it. It's bright and attracts more attention than circus freak at a funeral.( unless of course it's a funeral for another circus freak ) and just for the PC among us, no disrespect was intend or implied towards circus employment or those with physical or mental challenges.
Michael Shortt
1971 #1660
Savannah, GA
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: Richard Barkley <rlbpantera at earthlink.net<mailto:rlbpantera at earthlink.net>>
> When I went to paint Zonkey about 5 years ago, I couldn't find any paint
> supplier that had a "match". PPG suggested I go to one of their "Profit
> Centers" and have a computer match done. At that point practically all
> the original paint had been stripped off and I couldn't take it there
> anyway so I just started looking at samples. I wanted to paint using
> base/clear so that restricted choices some perhaps.
>
> What I ended up choosing was very close to the original ('71) yellow. It
> is just a bit brighter, but not much. I compared it to the paint under
> the behind the rear window "gills" and also to some paint I had mixed up
> in the 70's to do some repainting. The paint is a "pure mixing base" (I
> didn't add any tints) called Light Chrome Yellow (I believe) and the
> code is 666 (I know for sure - I call it devil's yellow). I think most
> who know Zonkey will agree it's a pretty nice yellow. I get lots of
> compliments on it. Check out the pictures on the link below.
>
> Richard
>
> --
> -----
> Sincerely, Richard Barkley
>
> To Ski or not to Ski, that is the question!
>
> Richard Barkley (310) 373-6695 (home)
> E-mail: rlbpantera earthlink.net
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:57:14 -0700
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
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The 295 will look a little stretched on the 8" rear rim, kind of a balloon
effect, but it will fit. If you already have 295's on the rear, then you
know what you're in for.
Mike Thomas
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 12:00 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
My '72 Pantera has 7" wide front and 8" wide rear 15" wheels.
Tire Rack is suggesting that 225 - 50 (23.9" diameter) fronts and 295 -50
(26.9 diameter) Dunlop GT Qualifiers for the rear should fit.
Will these have proper clearance with stock suspension, with and without
the spring spacers ?
Any comments on the tires would be appreciated as well.
Thanks.
Hap
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:01:00 -0500
From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com<mailto:thedrol at pobox.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
To: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Cc: Detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.com>
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I installed my large pan while the engine was in the car. I had to cut
quite a bit of the windage tray out in order to get it to fit. I would
suggest that you remove the whole engine for the bearing replacement.
Who knows what else you may find. But I would also suggest making sure
that the windage tray is properly modified to allow you to drop the pan
while the engine is in the car.
To me this would give you the best results, but of course it requires
the most work and the most time.
Paul
#9270
John Taphorn wrote:
> I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil pressure after the oil got hot.
> It is a condition that I didn't notice at first as I didn't drive the car
> very far or hard. The cause struck me as a classic case of worn main
> bearings. While the oil pressure was adequate with the oil cool 35lb -
> 65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs.
>
> While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings this
> weekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week in
> the eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I removed
> the crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc. Unfortunately,
> the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from the pan rails.
> Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in through bulkhead and could
> see between the block and the lowered oil pan. I could see that the oil pump
> pickup is hung up on the windage tray. It appears that it would be
> necessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back toward the ZF to clear the
> pick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the ZF in place.
>
> I can't understand why someone would have allowed this condition during
> assembly. I can't think of another alternative and it appears that I will
> now have to pull the engine or at least separate the ZF and slide it back a
> couple of inches. :^(
>
> Unless someone has another solution. My only consolation toward removing
> the engine is that it would be a heck of a lot easier to change the bearings
> and seal the bottom end.
>
> JT
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:33:34 EDT
From: Dickruzzindesign at aol.com<mailto:Dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
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What speedrating are they?
Dick Ruzzin
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:57:02 -0700
From: "Mark Tumbarello" <ollerabmut at msn.com<mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
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They're S speed rated just like BFGoodrich TA's and Goodyear Eagle GTII.
Which by the way all have the correct size tires for our cars for both 8 and
10 inch rims in 15 inch diameter. If we could only convince them to make a
high performance tire in those sizes V,Z, or W ratings, we would have it
made. Until then it's time to move on to 17 and 18 inch diameters here in
the states. Mark
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>To: loudonc at comcast.net<mailto:loudonc at comcast.net>, detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:33:34 EDT
>
>What speedrating are they?
>
>Dick Ruzzin
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:15:46 -0700
From: "Pantera" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Racing History
To: "list DeTomaso" <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
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Listers,
I've just got a moment to sit down and read the first pages of the DeTomaso racing history, by
Philippe Olczyk. I see that our Mike Drew supplied a few facts, material, and maybe some writing too.
I see that the writing could have benefited from more of Mike's review and spell-checking but
what an interesting book (Tome sp ?), and LONG overdue.
I received my copy from Mike Drew himself. I am aware that Mike has some special leather-bound editions, and
I would suggest book collectors and true aficionados snatch one of these limited-editions before they are all gone!
I'd bet Mike has a limited supply of the regular editions also, so jump, and I mean JUMP on what he has ASAP.
The book is also available from PI, and no matter what route you take, get a copy N.O.W.
Printed in a limited quantity, I suspect waiting will only create a disappointment.
I'd like to thank Mike for whatever assistance he provided the author. The book clearly benefited from Mike Drew's hand.
As the fan base of DeTomaso automobiles grows, books like this become very important in documenting pedigree.
Avid reader and book collector...
Chuck
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:42 -0500
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com<mailto:jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>, <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
Message-ID: <001d01c6c97e$8f6040b0$c600a8c0 at Millennia<mailto:001d01c6c97e$8f6040b0$c600a8c0 at Millennia>>
Julian
Thanks for the suggestions and your experiences. Engine is out and I can
now tackle it properly. BTW, I tried to reach the oil pump bolts. No
chance.
Thanks
JT
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To: <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Major Bummer
> John,
>
> I'm assuming you have the Aviaid oil pan of which I had a similar problem
> in mounting my original one up in the car. The installed windage tray
> doesn't leave enough clearance to allow the oil strainer/pick up to clear
> the pan at the angle you need to do it with the motor in the car. I know
> its not much help to you getting it out the car, but I ended up modifying
> the windage tray for clearance by taking about 1/4" out of the pick up
> hole. The only suggestion (other than pulling the motor or ZF) is if you
> can create enough clearance between the pan and motor to be able to undo
> the two oil pump mounting bolts and allow the oil pump/strainer to come
> away with the oil pan? It may be possible with some contortionist moves
> and a a knuckle head wrench...good luck.
>
> BTW I just got a new Aviaid pan which has a different design to the older
> one, whereby the baffles is more central and hence the oil pick up much
> shorter. It mounted up motor in the car much easier, but still leaks a
> little oil. The oil pans are a bitch to mount up and get sealed motor in
> the car, especially single handed on your back, with minimal clearance.
>
> PS. I second Charlie McCall's notion of installing a mechanical gauge, I
> was all ready for a rebuild until I did just that and found the stock
> gauge way off.
>
> Julian -----Mensaje original-----De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com>
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] Ennombre de John TaphornEnviado el:
> Saturday, 26 August, 2006 2:42 AMPara: Detomaso at realbig.comAsunto<mailto:Detomaso at realbig.comAsunto>:
> [DeTomaso] Major Bummer I haven't been thrilled with the GT5's oil
> pressure after the oil got hot. It is a condition that I didn't notice at
> first as I didn't drive the carvery far or hard. The cause struck me as a
> classic case of worn mainbearings. While the oil pressure was adequate
> with the oil cool 35lb -65lb. When hot it was probably 10lbs - 40lbs.
> While not a fun job, I committed to changing the rod and main bearings
> thisweekend with the engine in the car. So, after work each day this week
> inthe eve, I've chipped away at the project to drop the oil pan. I
> removedthe crossmember, parking brake bracket, shifted cables etc.
> Unfortunately,the pan would not come off; only dropping a few inches from
> the pan rails. Tonite, with the aid of a flashlight, I looked in throu!
> gh bulkhead and couldsee between the block and the lowered oil pan. I
> could see that the oil pumppickup is hung up on the windage tray. It
> appears that it would benecessary to slide the oil pan at least 1" back
> toward the ZF to clear thepick up. Unfortunately, that is not possible
> with the ZF in place. I can't understand why someone would have allowed
> this condition duringassembly. I can't think of another alternative and
> it appears that I willnow have to pull the engine or at least separate the
> ZF and slide it back acouple of inches. :^( Unless someone has another
> solution. My only consolation toward removingthe engine is that it would
> be a heck of a lot easier to change the bearingsand seal the bottom end.
> JT
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:34:53 -0700
From: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso Italiano - 2006 Program
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I wasn't able to make it up to the Concorso but my car did. Well sort of, I heard photos of 1731 taken two years ago were part of the Detomaso spread in the program this year. Does anyone have an extra or two for sale. I just heard about it today and of course the six copies Larry Finch had on ebay are already sold.
thanks in advance,
-Richard
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:49:54 -0700
From: "Pantera" <pantera007 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:pantera007 at sbcglobal.net>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Concorso Italiano - 2006 Program
To: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
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Well yea he was selling lots of copies (at the highest prices like $24.99) What capitalism!
but there are other issues for sale currently, one is at $2.75 right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Concorso-Italiano-2006-Book-Ferrari-Lamborghini-Lancia_W0QQitemZ180021338584QQihZ008QQcategoryZ118256QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/Concorso-Italiano-2006-Book-Ferrari-Lamborghini-Lancia_W0QQitemZ180021338584QQihZ008QQcategoryZ118256QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
Here is another one for $20: (He has 3 copies)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Concorso-Italiano-Mint-2006-Books-Lamborghini-Ferrari_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6762QQihZ007QQitemZ170022808761QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Concorso-Italiano-Mint-2006-Books-Lamborghini-Ferrari_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6762QQihZ007QQitemZ170022808761QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW>
I'm sure more will follow...
Dieter.
I wasn't able to make it up to the Concorso but my car did. Well sort of, I heard photos of 1731 taken two years ago were part of the Detomaso spread in the program this year. Does anyone have an extra or two for sale. I just heard about it today and of course the six copies Larry Finch had on ebay are already sold.
thanks in advance,
-Richard
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:04:02 -0700
From: "Plotkin, Richard \(NBC Universal, SPS LLC\)"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Concorso Italiano - 2006 Program
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Thanks, I didn't think to search ebay with keywords other than Pantera. Doh!
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> To: "Plotkin, Richard (NBC Universal, SPS LLC)" <Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com<mailto:Richard.Plotkin at nbcuni.com>>, "detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>" <detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>>
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> Well yea he was selling lots of copies (at the highest prices like $24.99) What capitalism!
> but there are other issues for sale currently, one is at $2.75 right now.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Concorso-Italiano-2006-Book-Ferrari-Lamborghini-Lancia_W0QQitemZ180021338584QQihZ008QQcategoryZ118256QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/Concorso-Italiano-2006-Book-Ferrari-Lamborghini-Lancia_W0QQitemZ180021338584QQihZ008QQcategoryZ118256QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>
>
> Here is another one for $20: (He has 3 copies)
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Concorso-Italiano-Mint-2006-Books-Lamborghini-Ferrari_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6762QQihZ007QQitemZ170022808761QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Concorso-Italiano-Mint-2006-Books-Lamborghini-Ferrari_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6762QQihZ007QQitemZ170022808761QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW>
>
> I'm sure more will follow...
>
> Dieter.
> I wasn't able to make it up to the Concorso but my car did. Well sort of, I heard photos of 1731 taken two years ago were part of the Detomaso spread in the program this year. Does anyone have an extra or two for sale. I just heard about it today and of course the six copies Larry Finch had on ebay are already sold.
>
> thanks in advance,
> -Richard
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:56:37 -0400
From: mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dunlop GT Qualifier 15" Tires
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Hap wrote:
My '72 Pantera has 7" wide front and 8" wide rear 15" wheels.
Tire Rack is suggesting that 225 - 50 (23.9" diameter) fronts and 295
-50
(26.9 diameter) Dunlop GT Qualifiers for the rear should fit.
Will these have proper clearance with stock suspension, with and without
the spring spacers ?
Any comments on the tires would be appreciated as well.
>>>Those are just about perfect, although the rear tires are a bit wide
for an 8-inch wheel.
Personally, I would be looking at Toyo tires (which are not available
from Tire Rack); they offer a wonderful H-rated truck tire, the Proxes
S/T, in 295/50-15, and several z-rated more-or-less matching front
tires in 225/50-15.
Although the Dunlops are cheap and will serve you well on a street car,
the Toyos are probably much stickier and more 'modern'.
Mike
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:28:15 -0400
From: mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Racing History
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Chuck wrote:
>I've just got a moment to sit down and read the first pages of the
DeTomaso
racing history, by
Philippe Olczyk. I see that our Mike Drew supplied a few facts,
material, and
maybe some writing too.
>>>Indeed.
>I see that the writing could have benefited from more of Mike's review
and
spell-checking but
what an interesting book (Tome sp ?), and LONG overdue.
>>>Yes, very true!
>I received my copy from Mike Drew himself. I am aware that Mike has
some
special leather-bound editions, and
I would suggest book collectors and true aficionados snatch one of
these
limited-editions before they are all gone!
I'd bet Mike has a limited supply of the regular editions also, so
jump, and I
mean JUMP on what he has ASAP.
The book is also available from PI, and no matter what route you take,
get a
copy N.O.W.
Printed in a limited quantity, I suspect waiting will only create a
disappointment.
>>>Last time I talked to Dave, he only had two or three copies left.
They were available early on through PI for half price, but that
allotment is now gone. I don't know if PI will be getting any more
copies to sell or not.
I just received POCA's initial supply while in Monterey, and I will be
selling them on behalf of the club. Philippe has priced them at $99
each, and shipping via priority mail is about $9, so if you want a
copy, send me a check for $108 to:
De Tomaso Racing Book
c/o Mike Drew
136 Lighthouse Way
Vacaville, CA 95688
Make checks payable to me please.
I shipped two copies to early purchasers immediately after Monterey;
right now I'm in Spain enroute to Iraq again, but should be home by
next weekend and will be able to ship further books then.
I will be putting together an ad for inclusion in the POCA newsletter,
but you guys here get first crack at it!
>I'd like to thank Mike for whatever assistance he provided the author.
The book
clearly benefited from Mike Drew's hand.
>>>Much of the material I had provided was left out, unfortunately, but
for those interested, I can include it as a separate insert. The book
itself is huge, with well over 1200 photographs (many in color) of
racing De Tomasos in action! It weighs a ton!
>As the fan base of DeTomaso automobiles grows, books like this become
very
important in documenting pedigree.
>>>Yes, no doubt!
I have just learned through the grapevine of another De Tomaso book
that is to be printed next year as well, although I don't know anything
about it. The publisher is supposed to be sending me a press release
and advance copy for review.
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:41:08 -1000
From: "dyogi" <dyogi at hawaii.rr.com<mailto:dyogi at hawaii.rr.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso] 5-0 Pantera
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I took delivery of the Hawaii 5-0 pushbutton tonight. What a pleasant
surprise, the owner had a stockpile of spare parts that nearly filled the
back of my SUV which he gave me. He had the foresight to buy replacement
parts and never had the need to use them. My '73 L now has a big sister to
share the garage with!
Aloha,
Dennis
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:50:53 -0400
From: mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 5-0 Pantera
To: dyogi at hawaii.rr.com<mailto:dyogi at hawaii.rr.com>, detomaso at realbig.com<mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
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Dennis,
You wrote:
I took delivery of the Hawaii 5-0 pushbutton tonight. What a pleasant
surprise, the owner had a stockpile of spare parts that nearly filled
the
back of my SUV which he gave me. He had the foresight to buy
replacement
parts and never had the need to use them.
>>>Gotta love that!
>My '73 L now has a big sister to
share the garage with!
>>>I'm curious--what are your long-term intentions for both cars? Keep
them both, or sell one or the other, or ????
Mike
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