[DeTomaso] Re: An Appology

Mon May 1 16:50:27 EDT 2006

Ken,
   I apologize for misinterpreting your statement. I scanned over the emails 
too fast and spoke too soon. I thought you were asking for action against, 
not reqiring imigrants to take effort in some branch of service. In this 
case I have to agree with you. Please accept my humble apology......
Brian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian" <gypsy at myspeedworks.com>
To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>; "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." 
<larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; 
<Dickruzzindesign at aol.com>; <john.w.holmes at exgate.tek.com>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: An Appology


> MD,
>   I am so glad you made the statement on how your Grandfather earned his 
> citizenship. I have been standing on the sidelines throughout most of this 
> post, mainly to both an understanding of our history and awareness to 
> service. Through out our history, we have opened our borders to imigrants 
> and granted citizenship by placing a weapon in their hands. This started 
> as the Civil War broke out and Irish immigrants landing at Ellis Island. 
> They were granted under the condition to join the Union Army. This is the 
> real reason the North won the war. They had a constant supply of soldiers. 
> Now to the comment made earlier by the foreigner. You should know our 
> history before you speak with a forked tounge. We declared Independance in 
> 1776. We had to fight for our independance. It was not handed to us, as 
> you said. We fought for it through starting secret societies such as the 
> Sons of Liberty and partnerships with the Native Americans, France, and 
> the French had partnered with Spain. Understand though, Spain didn't 
> recognize America's Independance. In 1782 We won the war for independance 
> by peace negotiations in Paris between Britain, France, and The United 
> States. The Peace Treaty was negotiated by Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, 
> and John Jay for Americans from Americans in November of 1782. Now this is 
> just a brief summary and many important figures and roles of Americans are 
> regretfully not mentioned.
> Ken,
>   Now to address your request for help from some sort of service whether 
> it is civil or government. All I can say is be careful what you wish for. 
> Civil-FEMA and Government-United Nations. I personally don't like the idea 
> of neither to step forward. However, Clinton started signing executive 
> orders for this to take place back in 1995. Since then we have built many 
> FEMA Camps and U.N. bases across the U.S. For what reason do you suppose 
> this is?
> Brian
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> To: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; "Ken Green" 
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <Dickruzzindesign at aol.com>; 
> <john.w.holmes at exgate.tek.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: An Appology
>
>
>> However you spell it the system is broken. Both Republicans and 
>> Democrats...Laws on the books are not enforced....where is Teddy 
>> Roosevelt and an alternative party for the people when we need him? And 
>> lets be real honest about this,
>>
>>  12 MILLION or more illegal aliens will get TOTAL amnesty...they will not 
>> have to learn English...They will not have to take any tests or loyalty 
>> oaths....as you said Matt, they don't want U.S. citizenship...they just 
>> want the money that comes from the jobs.  In the meantime the overwelming 
>> majority send BILLIONS of DOLLARS back to Mexico and the rest of Latin 
>> America.
>>
>>  I don't know about the military service idea Ken....its like ORR....its 
>> not for everyone ;-]but I think EVERYONE in this country should have some 
>> form of government service...my grandfather legally came to this country 
>> in 1911. He came to this country not speaking a word of English...he 
>> learned. He also earned his U.S. citizenship serving America by serving 
>> with the U.S. Army in WWI...he was also wounded. My grandfather was 
>> really proud of that and I know many vets of Hispanic backgrounds I 
>> served with in Nam were also proud to serve but they all had to be able 
>> to learn and speak English.
>>
>>  MD
>>
>>
>>
>> "Larry - Ohio Time Corp." <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>>  Ken
>>
>> Did you forget the repealing of the 19th Amendment?
>>
>>
>> Larry (I did not say that) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Green"
>> To: ; ;
>>
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Re: An Appology
>>
>>
>>> At risk of exposing my radical side, I don't think citizenship (and thus
>>> voting rights) should be given to anyone. I think some form of service
>>> (military or civil) should be required. I also would like some form of
>>> testing to show a minimum understanding of our history before anyone can
>>> vote. It is obvious that this could be abused, but the current system
>>> doesn't work either, so I'd rather risk the abuse.
>>>
>>> And raise the voting age to 30.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Dickruzzindesign at aol.com wrote:
>>> Our independence was not "given" to us by England.
>>>
>>> People died for us to get it and many others endured terrible hardship,
>>> loss
>>> of life, family and fortune. Those who put the idea of independence
>>> forward
>>> were declared, by Great Britain, to have committed treason. They could
>>> have been
>>> killed at any time and many were.
>>>
>>> England is our biggest friend, but it is changing rapidly and within a 
>>> few
>>> years will sadly go the way of France. I was there two years ago and was
>>> told
>>> that the English population is so frightened by the Muslim immigrants 
>>> that
>>> they
>>> do not even speak of their problems in public.
>>>
>>> I fear greatly for the future of my country, God Bless America!
>>> Dick Ruzzin
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