[Miata] Upgrades (was Replacing Rear Window)
Larry Alster
Larry at Miata.net
Sat Jul 5 20:38:48 CDT 2008
I was confused too until I heard a report on fuel costs and reasons.
Diesel was always cheaper than regular fuel in the US. The new required low
sulphur diesel has changed that. Why you may ask?? Costs more to produce??
Nope!! It is now the same formula for diesel that is sold in Europe so our
Diesel is getting exported to Europe where it can be sold at a higher profit
margin and so the law of supply and demand dictates that Diesel in the US
goes up in price because the supply is low.
Larry
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From: miata-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:miata-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf
Of Rob Argento
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:29 PM
To: 'John Freas'; 'Dennis B. Swaney'
Cc: miata at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [Miata] Upgrades (was Replacing Rear Window)
I am somewhat confused as to the high price of Diesel automotive fuel in
the USA. In most European nation diesel fuel is quite a lot cheaper PER
GALLON than petrol. In Sweden Diesel sold for automotive purposes is taxed
higher than rthe same fule sold for say heating purposes but it is, in spite
of that still cheaper per gallon than petrol. Why is it priced higher in
the USA?
/Robban
From: miata-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:miata-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf
Of John Freas
Sent: den 5 juli 2008 20:29
To: Dennis B. Swaney
Cc: miata at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [Miata] Upgrades (was Replacing Rear Window)
Previously on Upgrades, Dennis B. Swaney <romad at mac.com> said...
And where are these diesel-powered Miatas being sold? Please respond with
the name, address and telephone number of the Mazda dealer that has them.
That's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
The thread began when Mark said that due to the higher price of Diesel fuel
"I'm glad I don't drive a diesel", which caused me to point out that after
the price of Diesel is corrected to account for the increased efficiency of
the vehicle consuming it, that it is still less expensive, mile for mile,
than gasoline. That's a fact, it's not fantasy, it doesn't matter what
vehicle you are talking about. If Mark wanted to minimize his fuel expenses
he could go out and buy a VW Beetle TDi and get better mileage and a lower
total fuel cost per year than if he bought a gasoline Beetle, and a heck of
a lot lower than the Miata (Beetle TDi is rated at 42 city/49 highway).
I don't care that you can't get a Diesel Miata, that wasn't the point of
either person's comments. Mark said that the cost of Diesel fuel made him
glad to own a gasoline vehicle. I pointed out that the economy he was
looking at was smoke and mirrors. I didn't even bother to pursue the old
saw about smell, noise and smoke, which while valid arguments in 1982, no
longer carry much weight with modern Diesel engines.
In any case, the debate was a general one about Diesels and I stand by my
reply: Apples to apples, a Diesel will cost less at the pump than the same
vehicle with a gasoline engine.
-John
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